Our Story

The adventure began in October 2019, when we signed the lease for a long-term rental contract to start in May 2020 on a two bedroom apartment a ten minute stroll from the centre of Dalyan. I wish we’d started this blog then, but I also wish we’d won the lottery last weekend and that didn’t happen either, so here’s some background to get you up to speed.

 

We’d known for several years that our long-term plan was going to be to spend a large part of our time in Tϋrkiye in the future, and 2020 was going to be the year when we were finally able to start enjoying longer visits, in all seasons, rather than just the usual two week holidays in the summer months. We returned home excited and eager to start getting a real feel for the place we had fallen in love with, then, just a few months before we were supposed to get the keys to the apartment, we found ourselves in the middle of a worldwide pandemic with all flights out of the UK on hold indefinitely.

 

At first, we hoped that things would have settled down by the time we were due to travel in May, but it quickly became clear that that wasn’t going to be the case. An email from EasyJet cancelling our flights soon arrived, leaving us with a yearly rental ticking away on an apartment we couldn’t get to. We changed our flights to mid-September and hoped against hope we would be on that plane. We then had some good news (kind of) when we contacted our landlord to let him know that we would be there in September, or earlier if humanly possible as flights were now due to restart in July. We were informed that the apartment wasn’t ready as he’d been unable to complete all the work due to the pandemic (it was a new build) and he had assumed that we would want to carry our rental forward to the following year. We were delighted to know we now had the apartment for a full year starting in April 2021, even if it did mean we had to find the money for accommodation when we flew out in September.

 

When it was clear our outbound flights were going ahead, we booked our return flights for just over a month later. This would be the longest we had stayed there in one visit, so we arranged to stay in a villa with a private pool, rather than a hotel.  A few weeks into our stay, the British government brought in quarantine restrictions for anyone entering the UK from Turkey and panic ensued among many of the holidaymakers who had just arrived. People who had to go back to work and couldn’t work from home were scrambling to find flights back to the UK before the deadline, and flight prices went through the roof. One couple who had arrived just two days before the announcement had to return home immediately as they would have missed their son’s wedding if they had to spend 10 days in quarantine. In a matter of days, the whole place was almost a ghost town with everybody leaving but no new holidaymakers coming in to replace them. The shop and restaurant owners were crushed as the recent wave of tourists finally arriving had been a lifeline for them, and now their business was back to being non-existent again.

 

We decided to extend our stay in the hope that the quarantine would be lifted by the time we returned to the UK. We changed our flights and ended up staying just over 7 weeks in the end (that villa and pool turned out to be an excellent choice as I don’t think we would have enjoyed that long in a hotel) and actually got a taste of what it might be like in the winter months as many of the shops and restaurants had brought forward their end-of-season closing by the time we left because of the lack of tourists. Sadly, we couldn’t stay any longer due to commitments in the UK (and yes, we still had to quarantine for 10 days when we got back).

 

I think spending that long there, (and at a time when it was a very different Dalyan to the one we were used to at the height of the holiday season), was what finally showed us that it truly is the place we want to be, not just for part of the year, and not when we eventually retire, but right now. For the first time, sitting on that plane back to Gatwick didn’t feel like coming home. It felt more like we were reluctantly leaving our home, and it didn’t take long after we got back for us to make the decision that we were more than ready to face the challenge of making a permanent move.

 

So, the next few months will be all about researching things like Turkish bank accounts, tax numbers, residency and citizenship requirements, and medical insurance (those are things we can only do when we finally manage to get out there), the logistics of moving our possessions, getting the house market-ready (yes, we’re selling up and moving completely, not just buying a holiday home) and of course getting rid of as much ‘stuff’ as we can over the next 8 or 9 months (it’s amazing how many things you don’t really need but still hang on to when there’s a handy cupboard or loft to stuff them in!)

 

We plan to finally be buying those one-way tickets in the spring of 2022. Of course, we’ll miss seeing our family and friends the way we do now, but one thing we’ve learned during the lockdowns is that it’s much easier to stay in touch now (FaceTime, WhatsApp Video, Zoom) than it would have been 20 years ago. And it’s only a four hour flight, it’s not like we’re moving to the other side of the world.

 

We hope you’ll follow us on our new, exciting, (and admittedly somewhat scary) adventure.  Please feel free to interact on our posts and ask any questions you may have.  If you’re on the same (or a similar) journey, we’d love to connect with you.  And lastly, no advertising posts please (this blog is moderated, and they won’t be approved).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Welcome to Let's Talk Tϋrkiye

 

Welcome to Let's Talk Tϋrkiye, where you can follow our journey as we leave our home of over 30 years in the south-east of England, for a new life in the beautiful Mugla region of Turkiye.

 

We’ll be sharing the whole process of moving to a new country, in the hopes that we can point others travelling along a similar path in the right direction, signpost any pitfalls we come across, and perhaps help you to avoid making the same mistakes we inevitably will (or maybe we’ll just give you some mild amusement with your cuppa on a boring afternoon).

 

We’ll keep this blog going after we’ve moved and reveal what it’s really like settling into a whole new way of life. It will also be nice for our family and friends to be able to keep an eye on us and see what we’re up to without us having to actually talk to them - just kidding (probably).

 

We hope you’ll follow us on our new, exciting, (and admittedly somewhat scary) adventure.  Please feel free to interact on our posts and ask any questions you may have.  If you’re on the same (or a similar) journey, we’d love to connect with you.  You can also join us on Facebook.  And lastly, no advertising posts please (this blog is moderated, and they won’t be approved).

 

 

 

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Paved With Good Intentions

Posted on 17th July, 2022

Despite all our good intentions, we've been so busy moving to Turkiye and settling in here, that we just haven't found the time to update this blog on a regular basis.  We are, however, putting frequent posts with updates, pictures, and reviews on our facebook page, so if you haven't already followed us there, please pop across and join the page so you don't miss any of our posts.  We'll still be putting things on here of course, just far less frequently and probably the stuff that's too long for a facebook post. We've also set up an Instagram page (@lets_talk_turkiye) and the plan is to get lots of pictures on there too.

 

So, if you were wondering what happened to us, we're still here and still loving our new adventure, just not able to produce as much content as we'd like right now. We promise we'll be posting more often as soon as we've finished settling in.

 

 

So, we finally flew back to Tϋrkiye from Gatwick this week, for the last time in (what we hope will be) a while after spending a week in the UK sorting out everything that was left to sort out in the house. We also got to meet our gorgeous new grandson, so it was well worth the journey. Everything has now been sold or given away, the paperwork is all signed, sealed, and ready to deliver, and we hope to complete within the next few weeks.

 

We went back with very little in the way of clothes and with our suitcases stacked inside each other like Russian dolls, so we could bring the last of our stuff back with us, and we still ended up having to book one more case than we planned! Everything we need immediately is here now though, and the rest is with the cargo company to be delivered as soon as we get our residency permits sorted.

 

It feels very strange to now be referring to Tϋrkiye as home and talking about going to the UK to visit friends and family, especially when someone here asks us where we live – I keep going to say England until Brian jumps in with ‘we live here’. We're looking forward to catching up with friends and family visiting from the UK over the next couple of weeks (we just can’t get away from them lol).

Expect the Unexpected

Posted on 13th April, 2022

Whoever invented that little gem of advice was spot on in our case, as we definitely didn’t get the start we expected to our new adventure. 

 

After an incredibly stressful few weeks attempting to finalise everything with the house (box up everything we wanted to bring with us for collection by the cargo company, give away or sell everything else including all the furniture, sign the paperwork for the sale before we left so it could go ahead in our absence), we finally arrived at our apartment last Sunday with our six giant suitcases to discover that the roof had been leaking during an exceptionally rainy winter here, and everything in our bedroom was covered in mould.  So, we’re now in alternative accommodation while our place is being fixed. 

 

We’ve ended up in a 7-bedroom villa, which sounds like a win, but it’s huge and therefore really hard to keep warm (although daytimes are sunny, it’s still quite cold at night here) and also twice as far from the town as our own apartment, so we’re hoping we can move back soon.  We were also faced with having to wash and iron absolutely everything we left here clothes- and bedding-wise last year (about eight loads so far and still working through it), and the first load we did in the villa turned our clothes orange because there was a problem with the water supply.  As soon as that was fixed, the washing machine here died (but not before switching itself on and off and then flooding in the night, even after I’d unplugged it because of it switching itself on and off – at this point I’m pretty much convinced it’s possessed by a minor demon!) We’re still waiting for the engineer to come and fix it (rather him than me, I’m not going near it in case it tries to electrocute/possess me), so we’ve had to hire a car so that we can ferry laundry between the villa and the washing machine at the apartment (and also to move over things we need from the apartment to the villa). 

 

Yesterday was really the first chance we had to actually sit back and relax and find the energy and motivation to cook a meal instead of grabbing takeaway or eating out. We’re managing to stay positive - after all, this is Turkiye so things rarely go the way you expect lol – but we’re really hoping everything is ready for us to move back to the apartment soon and we can get back on track and settle into our new life (and start creating blog posts again of course, at which I have been woefully inadequate over recent months due to being so caught up in moving and other stuff).

 

Oh, and no, we didn’t actually manage to finalise everything back in the UK before we left, so we’ll be going back for just one week in May to finish off everything we couldn’t get done in time.

Food, Glorious Food

Posted on 12th October, 2021

The only downside (if you can even really consider it that) to living with a talented amateur chef, is that it takes a lot of the enjoyment out of going to restaurants. There are lots of lovely places to eat here in Dalyan, but very few of them can provide anything we can’t create just as well at home.  In the last week or so, we’ve had a couple of lovely chicken and lamb casserole style dishes, a meatball dish, grilled lamb chops, and a variation on karniyarik.  If you’re interested in Turkish cooking, pop over to Brian’s Facebook page @Brians.Green.Corner to see some of his creations.  And don't forget to like @Lets.Talk.Turkiye on Facebook for more regular updates on our adventures.

 

These are a few of the tasty dishes that have graced or table over the last week or so:

 

 

Chicken Saute Dish

 

 

Meatball Dish

 

Paprika Roasted Potatos

 

Grilled Lamb Chops with salad and potato wedges 

 

 

Looks Like We Made It

Posted on 13th September, 2021

So, we finally made it to Dalyan last Sunday (5th) travelling via Istanbul. Although, until the moment the plane actually took off, we still weren’t 100% convinced it was going to happen. After closely watching the Pegasus flights from Stansted, we noticed that they had a tendency to switch the flights to Heathrow at short notice, and our flight on the Sunday was the last showing from Stansted until the middle of this week, so it was a little tense waiting to see what would happen with ours.

 

We decided that we wouldn’t risk using the postal PCR tests in case the results didn’t come back in time, so we went to a local travel clinic to have them done on the Friday morning (results back Saturday evening). While waiting for the results, I became absolutely convinced mine was going to come back positive (because I’d coughed twice one morning!) so I went to the library for some lateral flow tests and did one at home, which was thankfully negative.

 

The transfer at Istanbul (Sabiha Gokcen) was fairly straightforward, although it was a little strange having to go through passport control and then out of international arrivals and back into domestic departures and through security again (where they took away our unopened bottle of water we bought at Stansted – still miffed about that) before we could find our gate and relax.  We had a little over two hours between flights and ended up with an hour to spare, so we were able to get a (sadly non-alcoholic) drink while we waited.  We landed in Dalaman at around 10:15pm local time and after crossing over into international arrivals to collect our baggage (nice lady with a clipboard directing people where to go) and a quick stop in Duty Free, we finally got into our apartment around an hour later (16 months after we originally expected to move in). Then it was a stroll into Dalyan centre in search of food and our first Efes on Turkish soil. 

 

We’ve spent the last week de-stressing, buying new bits and pieces for the apartment and catching up with people here that we know. Pegasus somehow managed to damage Brian’s bike despite it being in a travelling bag and bubble wrapped around all the important bits! so a new stand is also on the shopping list when we get into Ortaca (and a bike for me). 

 

Dalyan is much quieter this year than it was even last year, and the businesses are really suffering from the ongoing lack of tourists. Quite a few places have not opened at all this year, and those that are open will undoubtedly close earlier than normal if things don’t pick up. There are a few German and Dutch holidaymakers here, and they had a fair amount of Turkish people visiting earlier in the year, but they do rely heavily on us Brits for a lot of their income. We are all hoping against hope that Turkey will be taken off the red list at the next review; there are certainly a lot of people who would love to still come for a holiday this year if that happens, but if not then it looks like we will see a very early end to the season this year.

 

I'll be putting lots of updates on the Facebook page while we're here, so don't forget to pop over and follow us there if you'd like to see some of the places we'll be visiting. 

Slowly but (In)surely

Posted on 27th August, 2021

Well, we’re getting there (I think). This week has been all about travel insurance. With flights booked for the first week of September, I have spent way too much time trying to find out what our existing policy with our bank will cover (and what it won’t). My online digging indicated that they would not cover us to visit Turkey, so after several aborted attempts to speak to someone on the phone (today I gave up after holding for 35 minutes!) I threw in the towel and decided to go for a completely new policy elsewhere.

 

Staysure have certainly not been any better when it comes to getting through on the phone, but I did manage to have a Facebook Messenger exchange with a very helpful lady who was able to answer some of my queries and point me in the right direction to get the correct policy for us. We are now the proud owners of an annual multi-trip policy with an extension to cover us while visiting a ‘red’ country, covid cover whilst there, and a length of trip extension to 100 days. 

 

One important thing I have discovered during all this though, is that in order for your policy to be valid, you have to have a return flight to the UK booked when you travel. This is something that has never cropped up before because prior to acquiring the apartment we always booked return flights and accommodation together. Apparently it is buried somewhere in the small print, and I only found out because it was mentioned on a travel page I joined, and I queried it when buying our policy.  What this means is that we have to book a flight back to the UK with an airline that will allow us to change or cancel without penalty if Turkey stays red and we decide to wait it out there (if that happens we’ll be applying for residency and buying Turkish health insurance, so it won’t be an issue). Annoying though, as it’s another expense to add the growing list before we can travel.

 

Next stop: PCR tests. 

No Words

Posted on 9th August, 2021

I really struggled to come up with a title for this blog post, but there truly are no words to adequately describe the heart-breaking scenes that have been coming out of Turkey this week (and honestly, trying to do so with one of my usual catchy titles would feel downright disrespectful). 

 

The forest fires that have been raging across Mugla have been a huge blow to the Turkish people. As if the loss of tourism from the pandemic isn’t enough, they now have to contend with the loss of lives, homes and livestock caused by the fires too. We were watching the situation unfold via the various groups we belong to, and it was far worse than what little media coverage there was suggested. Thankfully, it seems that the majority of the fires are now dealt with or being brought under control (with news breaking in the last hour that 2 still remain unchecked). I have to say, though, that I was in absolute awe of the way the local population swiftly mobilised to raise funds and distribute water, food, and protective clothing where it was needed, helping to get people and animals to safety, and generally doing anything and everything they could to support the fire-fighting effort. It never fails to amaze me how such awful situations bring out the absolute best in the majority of people.

 

I really hope that things will settle down quickly now and the land and people can start to heal. I don’t normally do this, but I am going to share a link (below photo) to a Go Fund Me page in case anyone who loves Turkey would like to contribute to the ongoing fundraising to help the area recover. Your positive thoughts and prayers (if that's your thing) for this beautiful country and her people would also be much appreciated.

 

 

 

https://gofund.me/a93c66a5

An Early Halloween Horror Story

Posted on 2nd July, 2021

The horror is real people.  It’s time to think about downsizing the Halloween collection.  Over the years we’ve amassed a vast array of lovely (or horrible depending on your perspective) Halloween decorations.  I’m not talking here about the cheap, tacky stuff you get in Poundland or the Factory Shop either, it’s all good quality things from stores like TK Maxx and Home Sense, or from the States, where they (very unfairly) have access to much better quality Halloween goodies than we can get our hands on over here. 

 

Originally the plan was to have one last big Halloween celebration before we leave, but with travel plans still up in the air (thanks Boris!) we don’t even know for sure if we’ll be in the UK in October. So rather than having a mad scramble to rehome everything after Halloween, we’ve decided the sensible thing to do is to let go of a lot of it now and have a downsized celebration if we’re around for it.  I know it’s the right way to go, but it still breaks my heart to think of it all going to a new home.  I will especially miss the life-sized animated Grim Reaper – I wonder if I could get him a seat on the plane? The extra luggage allowance would certainly come in handy.

 

Pigs Might Fly (before we do)

Posted on 18th June, 2021

Okay, that might be a slight exaggeration, but it’s certainly starting to feel that way as we’ve made very little in the way of progress over the last few weeks.  Apparently there have been ‘talks’ between the British and Turkish governments about re-opening tourism between our two countries, but nothing concrete seems to have come out of it as yet.  There’s also a faint light at the end of the tunnel as we steam ahead with the vaccination programme, with the possibility of more countries being opened up to those who have had both doses, but no definite announcement is expected any time soon.  There are still flights going to Turkey of course, but the main barrier to travelling there currently is insurance, with most insurance companies refusing to insure anyone who travels against Foreign Office advice, and those who will charging £500+ for cover. It’s starting to look like we won’t be able to go until at least August, maybe even later. So, for now I’m consoling myself with my online “Villa Porn” and hoping to be able view some of them in person if they haven’t sold by the time we get out there.

 

I’ve also had to give in and buy some new shorts and tee shirts this week, as nearly everything summery I possess was left in Turkey (because I definitely wouldn’t be wearing it before we returned in April).

 

Oh well, at least we’ve got more time to get organised here.  I’m off to start slapping coloured stickers on things now, in the ongoing saga of What to Do with All of the Stuff (if only I could remember what the colours mean for the ones I’ve already stuck on things!!)

The Stuff of Nightmares

Posted on 11th June, 2021

Seriously, I am on the verge of having nightmares about ‘stuff’. I mean, where did it all even come from? I don’t consider myself to be a hoarder, not by a long shot, and that was reinforced when my mum passed away a few years ago and I vowed never to leave my kids with that much ‘stuff’ to sort through when I shimmied off into the afterlife. I became the kind of person who buys something new and gets rid of the old one, rather than hanging onto it ‘just in case’. The kind of person who donates any clothes she hasn’t worn in the last year (although I’ve been a little more forgiving this last year because I haven’t been anywhere to wear anything!) So, the only possible conclusion to draw is that it’s been multiplying all by itself – especially when left to its own devices in the loft!!

 

It’s been all systems go in the Lane household for the last few weeks. Work has started on getting the house ready to go on the market after the valuations confirmed that we actually can afford to relocate. It seems the market is moving incredibly fast at the moment, and we’ve been assured we can be expected to sell almost as soon as the property hits the market. That brings a dilemma, as we weren’t planning to start the ball rolling until around September time, with a view to maybe selling before Christmas and moving in February/March, or possibly not finding a buyer until after Christmas and moving in late spring/early summer. Now we have to decide whether to take advantage of the current demand for houses outstripping supply and follow the agent’s advice to put it on the market sooner.

 

While we’re deciding what to do, we’ve repainted one of the bedrooms, had a new boiler fitted and have a new bathroom going in. I occasionally wonder if I’ll still want to leave when all this work is finished, but then I think about sunshine and swimming pools and cocktails and I wish I were already there.

 

But the problem of what to do with ‘all of the stuff’ is the one that’s really playing on my mind. Should I keep it until the house is sold and we have an actual moving date? Should I get rid of everything now and hope I don’t find I need it in a few months’ time? What if the pandemic delays things for another year and I start to wish I’d kept things I’ve sold or given away? If I keep trying to force Tupperware and glass dishes on the kids, they’re going to stop coming around before much longer. Jugs anyone????